Hillary's New York Office: Rumors Are False, She Wants Her Name in Nomination

by catfish2, Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 11:41:29 AM EST

Hillary Clinton's New York Office denies the report from the New York Daily News that she does not want her name in nomination. The New York Daily News story cites no named sources, and her office confirmed the story is not true.

You may not like our friend Alegre, but she checks her facts, and she contacted Hillary's New York office.

A contact who met with Hillary in San Francisco yesterday (Thursday) who said this:

She talked about her name being put into nomination and she said that she wanted her voters to be heard and for her delegates to have the experience of what a real convention is.  She said that by doing this and by having a roll call that it would help unify the party.

As Alegre says "Think about it - after all she's been through in this campaign, does anyone really think she'd leak this monumental story to a paper like the Daily News?  It's laughable!"

Obama's supporters do him no favors by such divisive tactics as denying her a simple symbolic roll call vote, or spreading rumors in order to quash one. Obama is better than this, his supporters should follow suit.




Tags: Hillary, Roll Call, Denver, Convention (all tags)

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Re: Hillary's New York Office: Rumors Are (none / 0)

No one's denying her a vote.  Quit slandering the rest of us.


by rfahey22 on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 11:43:54 AM EST

Spreading rumors (2.00 / 2)

I corrected it - spreading rumors to quash a roll call vote.


by catfish2 on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 11:47:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Spreading rumors (2.00 / 1)

Fair enough.


by rfahey22 on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 11:49:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]

No evidence his campaign started the rumor (2.00 / 1)

Or even evidence that it was a supporter. Likely its a newspaperman who wanted something sensational to fill space.

I personally hope she has her rolecall. I think it will be eye-opening to people to see how the  DNC doesn't fight her on it.


M. It's like W, but flipflopped.
by warmwaterpenguin on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 12:35:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Oh, and recced for truth (2.00 / 1)

Can we get the other one off the reclist? At best its a rumor, at worst, a falsehood.


M. It's like W, but flipflopped.
by warmwaterpenguin on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 12:39:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oh, and recced for truth (2.00 / 1)

And how do you know this one is true?  I'm not confident about the report, no, not at all.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 12:58:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Well lemme rephrase that: (2.00 / 1)

Recced to counter a rumor. That's certainly all either of these diaries can be considered. Until we get an official, sourced statement from the Clinton campaign, it remains her business and all else is speculation.


M. It's like W, but flipflopped.
by warmwaterpenguin on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 01:25:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I hope you are talking about her CAMPAIGN office.. (2.00 / 1)

Her Senate office cannot and would not respond to a claim like this, since it is entirely political in nature.

Anything Alegre says anymore should be taken with a grain of salt.


by Pragmatic Left on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 12:37:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I hope you are talking about her CAMPAIGN (2.00 / 1)

And I don't think she has an open campaign office anymore, so all of this is, predictably, probably wrong.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 12:59:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

This comes from the same (none / 0)

Alegre who claimed to have proof that 8 super-delegates were going to switch from Obama.

Sorry - she is a liar. She demonstrated this over and over in the primary season.  Pure and Simple - I don't trust her.  


by fladem on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:50:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Silly rumors (2.00 / 1)

The NYDaily News? Come on, guys.


by catfish2 on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 11:44:24 AM EST

Re: Silly rumors (none / 0)

What's wrong with the Daily News? Its'a tabloid for sure, but has a pretty decent reputation for getting the news correctly.


by Mayor McCheese on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 12:27:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Is there another source beside Alegre? (2.00 / 4)

I wouldn't believe her if she told me the Yankees sucked.  


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 11:45:49 AM EST

Re: Is there another source beside Alegre? (2.00 / 3)

how unpleasant?  


what a relief
by anna shane on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 11:52:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Is there another source beside Alegre? (none / 0)

Is that a no or are you a Yankees fan?  


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 11:54:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Is there another source beside Alegre? (2.00 / 1)

I guess anyone can call her office and check on the accuracy of a story/rumor put out by a newspaper. I'd guess newspeople could do that too. I don't think it's hard.

What's Barracks number, to check on rumors?  Maybe we could check rumors before posting them ourselves?  


what a relief
by anna shane on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 12:02:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Is there another source beside Alegre? (none / 0)

You still didn't answer my question.  Is Alegre the only source of this information?  


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 12:04:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Is there another source beside Alegre? (2.00 / 2)

it's not my diary, why are you asking me?  If you want to check accuracy, that's easy, call her office.  Do you know Barrack's number so we can check with him too. Let's strike a blow against rumors and ask the rumored party about accuracy ourselves. Seems that's what Al did, but it's not my diary.  I'm saying, who cares, if anyone can check for themselves why bicker about who says they checked.  


what a relief
by anna shane on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 12:21:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Is there another source beside Alegre? (none / 0)

You've spelled his name wrong repeatedly and I'm not the first person to explain this to you.

B
A
R
A
C
K


by Reaper0Bot0 on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 12:23:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Is there another source beside Alegre? (none / 0)

Yep and that's annoying, but there appears to be a big problem with grammar in general.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 12:26:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Is there another source beside Alegre? (none / 0)

Barack?  That's such a funny name.

(Just a joke, people.)


by Sieglinde on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 12:31:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Is there another source beside Alegre? (none / 0)

You responded to my comment.  That is why I am asking you.  


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 12:25:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

B A R A C K (2.00 / 1)

Note the single R as opposed to the double R.  Learn to spell the name, as you'll be using it a  great deal for the next eight years.


by ReillyDiefenbach on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 12:38:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: B A R A C K (none / 0)

I had the same issue with Hilery. But I got it after a while and now I spell Hilery just fine.

As for Hilery and a roll call, I don't see that happening if the emphasis is on unity, even if just for show.

Either way, I'm sure Hilery will be just fine. As I recall, Hilery even said as much.

Yeah, good ol' Hilery.


McSame '08: Against All Hope - and Proud of It
by Its All So Goofy on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 05:52:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Is there another source beside Alegre? (2.00 / 2)

I would hope you would hold one of your own diarists here, to the same standard????

And why is it you only come here when one of Alegres minions posts.


by venician on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 12:18:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Is there another source beside Alegre? (2.00 / 1)

Oh come on.  You know the answer to that!


by Reaper0Bot0 on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 12:20:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Is there another source beside Alegre? (none / 0)

If it helps, I can confirm that fact.


by TCQuad on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 11:56:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Is there another source beside Alegre? (none / 0)

Thank you. :-)


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 11:58:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary's New York Office: Rumors Are False, S (2.00 / 3)

soooo we should believe Alegre over the NY Daily News?

can you give me 1 reason why I should?

I mean you say why would it be leaked to the Daily News, but if it was false why would they dispute this thruogh Alegre? a low level blogger who no one but PUMAs follow?

at least we know 1 thing when this story gets straghtened out we will know exactly where the Daily News Alegre's credibility stands wont we.

1 will be right, the other will have lost their credibility, place your bets which it will be


Dream for tomorrow but fight for it today.
by TruthMatters on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 11:47:21 AM EST

The NYDaily News probably asked an Obama (1.66 / 3)

supporter.


by catfish2 on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 11:48:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The NYDaily News probably asked an Obama (2.00 / 3)

really, or they just made it up. Was it the post that followed Edwards?  What's with that rag? Do they really think any intelligent person would believe their 'breaking news?'  


what a relief
by anna shane on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 11:54:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The NYDaily News probably asked an Obama (2.00 / 1)

Nope it was the Enquirer that followed Edwards.  However, the journalistic standards of the Enquirer are probably higher than the Post.  The first is sensationalist, the second right wing.


"There are two kinds of statistics: the kind you look up and the kind you make up" --Rex Stout
by LIsoundview on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 01:59:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The NYDaily News probably asked an Obama (2.00 / 1)

well like I said eventually this gets straighted out.

and I am glad for this diary, because when Hillary does come out and say she doesn't want a roll call vote, what will Alegre and the rest of you pumas do next?

so its a wait and see now


Dream for tomorrow but fight for it today.
by TruthMatters on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 11:54:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The NYDaily News (2.00 / 2)

The big story for me is that it is up to her. She'll do what she thinks is best for the party. I think it would be a mistake for her to say she doesn't want her votes counted at the convention. Even if this were her own decision a lot of people would think she was pressured and the big point now is to unite behind Barrack.  


what a relief
by anna shane on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 12:05:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Barack (none / 0)

There's only one 'R' in his name.


Saxby Chambliss: Asshat
by mikeinsf on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 12:11:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Barack (none / 0)

Still?  Even after all this time, his name is STILL spelled B-a-r-a-c-k?  Weird.


by Jay R on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 12:39:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Barack (2.00 / 1)

yea, my name gains a consonant every year.

It is very impressive now- but getting a bit eastern European.


by wrb on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 12:56:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Barack (none / 0)

Strange, huh?  You'd think that after spending over half a year tearing him down, she would get the spelling right.  But, then, I could never spell "Buush".


Saxby Chambliss: Asshat
by mikeinsf on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 01:19:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Barack (none / 0)

I know I will never call him President and I cannot give him caps. I call him bush, like the plant.


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 01:30:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Barack (none / 0)

She won't fix it. It's her passive-aggressive way of showing contempt. Best to just ignore her.


by batgirl71 on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 02:18:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Barack (none / 0)

true


Saxby Chambliss: Asshat
by mikeinsf on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 05:26:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Barack (none / 0)

funny that no one ever chews me out for spelling Hilary with one l. It's a mistake I make in typing and proofreading, you don't need to read anything special into it.  Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.  


what a relief
by anna shane on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 06:57:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Barack (none / 0)

Because you don't spell Hillary with one L.  

The nice thing about the internet is that it keeps a record of what you've posted.  We don't have to take your word for it (thank god).


I'm voting for Saxby Chambliss!
by Jess81 on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 07:07:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Barack (none / 0)

now you're calling me a liar?  What an ambassador for Barack you are?  I'm sure you've read all my thousands of comments, looking for an example of the one l?  Someone needs to get a life?  Or, you didn't?  


what a relief
by anna shane on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 07:21:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Barack (none / 0)

Personally insulting me isn't going to accomplish anything.


I'm voting for Saxby Chambliss!
by Jess81 on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 07:53:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Barack (none / 0)

clever?  I''m insulting you for not accepting your insult? Good thinkin'


what a relief
by anna shane on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 08:12:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It's not a big deal to me either way (2.00 / 1)

If she did want her name in nomination, then perhaps she could be nominated first, with the Arkansas and NY delegations pledging a majority of delegates to her.  Then Obama could be entered into nomination by Hawaii, with states proceeding to give him a lead until the Illinois delegation would ask for his nomination to be ratified by acclamation.  It would make for a nice bit of theater and wouldn't overdo Clinton's role.


by activatedbybush on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 01:45:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The NYDaily News probably asked an Obama (2.00 / 2)

If the Clinton campaign doesn't rapidly refute the original story (and apparently they haven't) then the Daily News is probably correct.


by CA Pol Junkie on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 01:58:33 PM EST
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Re: Hillary's New York Office: Rumors Are False, S (2.00 / 4)

Alegre's credibility.  Isn't that kind of like jumbo shrimp?


by ReillyDiefenbach on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 12:48:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary's New York Office: Rumors Are False, S (none / 0)

Yep, and last I checked Pecos Bill had ridden it up a river.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 12:22:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

try thinking for a moment (2.00 / 1)

why would any candidate, much less the first potential female President of the US, not want a floor vote?  It's not what any man with that many votes would do.
Get over your obsession with Allegre and use your brain.
by Teacher1956 on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 04:35:57 PM EST
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Re: try thinking for a moment (none / 0)

Because it makes no earthly difference either way?

Why would any candidate, much less the first potential female President of the US, keep her plans a secret to everyone but Alegra?


I'm voting for Saxby Chambliss!
by Jess81 on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 06:41:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Always (none / 0)

the Obama slander.


by Neef on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 11:47:54 AM EST

No slander here. (2.00 / 3)

Just correcting the record, and a request that his supporters act as classy as the man himself.


by catfish2 on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 11:48:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]

by reaching orgasm? (1.50 / 4)


by JJE on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 11:55:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: by reaching orgasm? (none / 0)

what does that mean?  If it's a joke, please explain.  


what a relief
by anna shane on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 11:59:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

it's a reference (2.00 / 3)

to catfish's question of whether Obama would reach orgasm during his Denver speech.

OK this might be gross, but  (4.00 / 3)
do you think he expects to reach orgasm while giving his speech?
by: catfish @ Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 21:28:48 PM CDT
[ Parent | ]

Classy indeed.


by JJE on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 12:06:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: it's a reference (2.00 / 3)

This has to be said:

PWNED!

:)


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 12:25:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: it's a reference (2.00 / 1)

It is interesting that Catfish would go down this line of thinking, wrt Obama.

Is this one of those sexual attraction things that manifests itself as the exact opposite behavior toward the focus of that attraction?


Obama/Adam West or Bruce Campbell or Lucy Lawless '08
by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 12:35:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Like Bill and Ann Coulter you mean? (none / 0)


by conspiracy on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 12:38:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Like Bill and Ann Coulter you mean? (none / 0)

Actually, I try to tune Ann out completely.  Is there a similar dynamic at play with Bill and Ann?


Obama/Adam West or Bruce Campbell or Lucy Lawless '08
by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 12:40:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Running joke (none / 0)

She was/is bitter because he turned her down.


by conspiracy on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 12:50:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Running joke (none / 0)

Wow!  Who would turn down Skeletor!

It is interesting how much the right obsesses about sex.


Obama/Adam West or Bruce Campbell or Lucy Lawless '08
by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 12:53:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Running joke (2.00 / 1)

Where I come from, Skeletor is James Carvile.  Ann Coultre is just your garden variety crackhead.  No need to make up funny names.


I'm voting for Saxby Chambliss!
by Jess81 on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 06:43:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: by reaching orgasm? (2.00 / 1)

You know exactly what it means, considering that you mojo'd catfish's post about Obama's orgasms.

OK this might be gross, but
do you think he expects to reach orgasm while giving his speech?
by: catfish @ Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 21:28:48 PM CDT
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And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 02:33:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: by reaching orgasm? (none / 0)

oh, right, I'd get a reference to an obscure joke.  in context it's funny, but out of context it's weird.  


what a relief
by anna shane on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 04:17:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: by reaching orgasm? (none / 0)

I would really like to know the context in which that statement isn't trashy, nasty, and tasteless.  That diary about Obama speaking at Invesco Field doesn't exactly scream "Hey!  I wonder if Barky Hussein OBamBambi is planning on having an orgasm on stage?!"

Nasty, but not at all surprising.


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 06:24:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: by reaching orgasm? (none / 0)

I thought it was funny.  I didn't take it literally, I thought it was about the soaring grande finale.  


what a relief
by anna shane on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 06:52:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: by reaching orgasm? (none / 0)

Well, you're in good company over there.


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 06:58:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: by reaching orgasm? (none / 0)

You claimed to not recognize it last time too.  Are jokes about Barack Obama having orgasms while fully clothed so common around you that you can't keep track?


I'm voting for Saxby Chambliss!
by Jess81 on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 06:45:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: by reaching orgasm? (none / 0)

you think I'm lying?  I'm sure I can forget it again too, it wasn't that a funny.  


what a relief
by anna shane on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 06:53:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: by reaching orgasm? (none / 0)

But you gave it a rating of 4!


by venician on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 01:56:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Repeating a Daily News story (2.00 / 1)

is not a move to quash her vote, nor a divisive tactic, as your diary claims. I'm not even sure why you tossed in the last line, it was an informative diary otherwise.


by Neef on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 12:13:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No slander here. (1.61 / 13)

Look what the cat dragged in:

The Following Users Have Recommended This Diary:
Caldonia
souvarine
izarradar
anna shane
anna belle
soyousay
louisprandtl


by venician on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 12:26:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Rec police (1.80 / 5)

hello, officer.


by catfish2 on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 12:41:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Rec police (1.80 / 5)

Sorry Citizen Fish.  We'd meant to turn you over to the Orgasm Squad for debriefing.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 12:44:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Rec police (none / 0)

How do you put the bracelets on a fish?


by ReillyDiefenbach on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 12:50:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Rec police (2.00 / 1)

Staples.


Obama/Adam West or Bruce Campbell or Lucy Lawless '08
by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 01:04:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No slander here. (2.00 / 9)

Is this your try at intimidation?  There's no place for it here.


by Jerome Armstrong on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 01:05:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No slander here. (1.77 / 9)

Public shaming isn't the same thing as intimidation.

That being said, this diary doesn't deserve public shaming.  This tactic has been used repeatedly in troll diaries, yet you've never appeared to comment in any of those...


by Reaper0Bot0 on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 01:13:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No slander here. (2.00 / 1)

well actually it is. public shaming (and mobbing) is the very definition of intimidation. if i wanted to digress back to the grade school playground taunts i'd have stayed over at that orange site where it really caught on. this is Jerome's playground here. if you don't like his rules, then.....


by swissffun on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 07:04:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No slander here. (1.80 / 5)

Is this your try at intimidation?  There's no place for it here.  

Is this yours?


Obama/Adam West or Bruce Campbell or Lucy Lawless '08
by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 01:15:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No slander here. (2.00 / 1)

I got a sock puppet TR.  Very cool!

;-)


Obama/Adam West or Bruce Campbell or Lucy Lawless '08
by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 03:27:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No slander here. (1.77 / 9)

Users are free to rec diaries. Other users should be able to show who has rec'd a particular diary. There is no public shaming unless you feel those who have rec'd a diary should be ashamed of that rec.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 01:30:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No slander here. (2.00 / 2)

If Jerome is truly concerned about the practice of posting the usernames of people who have recommended diaries, then he should add it to the site guidelines as a banned practice.

Methinks that he has another agenda, however...


Obama/Adam West or Bruce Campbell or Lucy Lawless '08
by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 01:37:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No slander here. (2.00 / 1)

Why in the world would anyone tr this comment? Disagree with it, yes. Point out where I'm wrong, yes. But, tr it? I'm really stumped trying to figure out this one.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 03:22:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No slander here. (2.00 / 5)

Thanks..I've rec'd this diary as well as the one with the NYD information. I thought they are information on both sides which needs to be aired. I wonder what the real story behind all of this..


by louisprandtl on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 01:35:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No slander here. (2.00 / 5)

Your rec was reasonable and I took no issue with it.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 01:39:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Thanks.. (2.00 / 4)


by louisprandtl on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 01:41:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I wonder whether these news releases (2.00 / 3)

are part of some behind the scenes negotiations...now that might be conspiracy theory.. :)


by louisprandtl on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 01:46:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No slander here. (1.75 / 4)

Jerome, you obviously dont spend enough time at your own blog.

These people spam your site almost every day.

Is it ok with you when Catfish does this?

http://alegrescorner.soapblox.net/showDi ary.do?diaryId=431#6586

Why do you defend these people, they are only here to hurt your site as they constantly make your site on Confluence, Alegre's corner, and NoQuarter.


by DemsLandslide2008 on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 01:47:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No slander here. (1.60 / 5)

I might also add that a comment showing who recommended a diary became necessary when Jermone & Co. took away the ability of many Obama supporters to recommend diaries during the primaries.  


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 01:55:11 PM EST
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Re: No slander here. (none / 0)

Now why did THAT get TR'd?  It's a simple statement of fact.


I'm voting for Saxby Chambliss!
by Jess81 on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 06:54:19 PM EST
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Re: No slander here. (2.00 / 2)

you cannot possibly be ignorant of the fact that dozens of "people" who have NO comment or diary history, who do not participate or contribute in any way to mydd, are galvanized in the comments sections of UGLY, ANTI-DEMOCRATIC sites to come here and take advantage of the BROKEN rec/rate system at this site for the sole purpose of stiring up division here.  

you are aware of this, right?

care to provide some leadership for the people who actually work their butts off to keep this site relevant and civil?  how would you suggest we deal with this phenomenon and the garbage it plants on your recommended list?  

i anxiously await your response...


by elie on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 02:31:48 PM EST
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You won't get one (2.00 / 1)

People have been asking that question since February. Hell, when Todd asked for suggestions on how to make the site better, the topic of having actual contributing posters in good standing be the ones with rec ability was specifically and repeatedly stated.

Jerome et. al. just want the hits that come from a site in love with its own metaness. Let's talk about us for a while, and us vs. them, and are you us or them? Let's talk about it!


by upstate girl on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 02:36:11 PM EST
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Re: No slander here. (none / 0)

Jerome at least half of the Obama supporters on here can't rec diaries, nor can we see who who else has rec'ed them.  It's your own site's policy, so I'm sure you're aware of it.  

Posts like that are a service to us.


I'm voting for Saxby Chambliss!
by Jess81 on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 06:52:48 PM EST
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You know that's a DISGUSTING habit... (2.00 / 4)

...and I'm t.r.'ing it.

Your habit of calling out folks for rec'ing a diary. What purpose does it serve other than to create divisiveness. This is precisely why I think you're one of the biggest trolls on this site. The behavior does more to disaffect those on the fence as far as their support of Obama's concerned than anything else.


by bobswern on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 02:12:39 PM EST
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Re: You know that's a DISGUSTING habit... (2.00 / 2)

You may not like someone posting the rec list in the comments thread, that's your right. However, you had no call for tr'ing my comment above. Using your logic, I could tr the comment you just made. In fact, I'd have more justification for it than you had for tr'ing my comment.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 02:38:51 PM EST
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Re: You know that's a DISGUSTING habit... (2.00 / 2)

Right back at you Bob. I believe everyone has the right to know who or how many people have rec'd a diary. And I'm sure you'll provide us with your proof of how this affects undecided voters.


by venician on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 02:56:49 PM EST
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It's clearcut intimidation...no ifs, ands... (none / 0)

...or buts.

If folks want to know who's rec'ing a diary, it's available for all to see.

When you put it in a comments thread, however, you might as well just come out and say...

"Look at these assholes in agreement with this diarist!"

It's the same thing. No equivocating about it. The only intent is to initimidate other users for expressing their opinions.

You're doing nothing but intimidating...abso-freakin'-lutely nothing other than that...and for that, you were t.r.'d.

If you want to abuse your own t.r. ratings, go right ahead and t.r. me. NOTE: I will report you to the blog mod's, if you do, however.


by bobswern on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 03:21:04 PM EST
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Re: It's clearcut intimidation...no ifs, ands... (2.00 / 1)

There's actually a cool technique that you can use in football, to get your opponent thrown out of the game.  We used it occasionally in college.

The trick is this:

You start trash talking at one particular guy, early in the game, (the key is to pick someone with a temper).

You keep this up till about halfway through the second quarter.

Then...when the ref isn't looking...you give him a head slap, or some other kind of tweak. (It's also good to block the initial incident with your body, if possible).

Right before the guy responds, you step to the side, opening up the vision of the scene to the ref.  When he responds back, he's caught, and ejected.

When done well, it's a beautiful thing!

I could take lessons here at MyDD.


Obama/Adam West or Bruce Campbell or Lucy Lawless '08
by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 03:40:07 PM EST
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Re: It's clearcut intimidation...no ifs, ands... (2.00 / 1)

1. Not everyone has the ability to see the rec. list.
2.Rec.ing a diary is NOT expressing an opinion, it's stating that one thinks the diary is reccommened reading.
3. You just tried to INTIMIDATE me by THREATENING to report me to the admins. You just proved how silly you really are. GROW UP!
by venician on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 03:42:05 PM EST
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Re: It's clearcut intimidation...no ifs, ands... (2.00 / 2)

No it's not. It's a legitimate point of discussion. It's a way of pointing out that: yes this on the rec list but it's the same gang of recommenders as many other questionable diaries, and thus should be taken with a grain of salt.

To argue otherwise is to say that we should all just be blind to the fact that there's a lot of hit-and-run reccing going on, from people who do not otherwise participate and do not stand up for their opinions, and that if we do happen to notice that it's going on that it's taboo to actually mention it to anyone else.

Which stifles real discussion more? If those who rec'd the diary want to stand up for it, more power to them. That's the whole point of it.


No Way. No How. No McCain-Palin!
by Texas Gray Wolf on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 03:49:52 PM EST
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Re: It's clearcut intimidation...no ifs, ands... (none / 0)

Well said gray wolf.


by venician on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 04:26:55 PM EST
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I stand solidly behind my comments. (2.00 / 1)

Your flagrant Hillary-hate is posted all over these diaries. IMHO, you do more than most to undermine the nominee's effort at reconciliation between party factions by simply posturing as you frequently do on this blog, and in the manner in which I'm discussing here.

This is pure intimidation. The folks rec'ing this are all regular commenters here. You cast negative comments upon them as a group. They're people. They're here. And, they do not deserve to be harassed on a personal level as you're clearly doing now.

There is no justification for your behavior, despite those coming to your support in this thread.

It's really quite inexcusable.


by bobswern on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 06:24:18 PM EST
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Re: I stand solidly behind my comments. (none / 0)

Faux outrage much?


Obama/Adam West or Bruce Campbell or Lucy Lawless '08
by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 07:42:17 PM EST
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Re: I stand solidly behind my comments. (none / 0)

 Bob,  You have gone off your rocker. I have posted not ONE word against Hillary in this diary so FUCK off. I'm tired of your shit.


by venician on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 07:48:36 PM EST
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Ah... so you now admit Obama is classy. (2.00 / 1)

Good on you.

Now if Clinton mono-supporters would just act classy to begin with eh?


by notedgeways on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 01:57:53 PM EST
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Re: Hillary's New York Office.... (2.00 / 1)

Catfish -
This is getting a tad old. Everybody with half a brain knew there was going to be a role call vote. And that her name could be put in nomination. Those are the rules. Dean even said they were the rules. The question I had would she want her name put in nomination. So Alegre through her sources says yes she does. Fine,
end of story. If that's what it take to get you guys on board I'm all for it.

However, If by putting her name in nomination you are hoping for a different outcome than we have now. I wouldn't hold your breath


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 11:48:55 AM EST

Then maybe Geekesque should take down the (2.00 / 1)

diary. Glad you agree.


by catfish2 on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 11:49:41 AM EST
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Re: Then maybe Geekesque should take down the (2.00 / 2)

Umm no. Geek has given a source as  you have. Who's right we shall see.

My comment was matters not who is right. If your right fine. if Greek is right that's fine too.


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 11:53:02 AM EST
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Re: Hillary's New York Office.... (none / 0)

Fish always ROT from the head first.


by venician on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 12:20:21 PM EST
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sorry catfish. (2.00 / 6)

fail - a comment on one blog sourcing a comment on another blog is not a credible source.

now the other story is also on its surface not rock solid - but still you cannot conflate one rumour with another.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 11:50:37 AM EST

I'm sure you said the same to Geekesque (2.00 / 3)

That NYDailyNews writer has a history of floating false rumors unfavorable to Hillary.


by catfish2 on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 11:52:04 AM EST
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that's fair. (2.00 / 3)

but this is not what your diary states.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 11:59:46 AM EST
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So did you tell Geekesque "fail"? (2.00 / 2)

Somehow I doubt it. You know, when a false rumor catches fire you've got to spring into action, we can't wait for the MSM, we've got to check the facts ourselves. I'm sure you've seen media studies that show fewer and fewer reporters are reporting news, and more bloggers and pundits are repeating it. Alegre picked up the phone. She did legwork.


by catfish2 on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 12:03:34 PM EST
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Re: So did you tell Geekesque "fail"? (2.00 / 3)

Alegre picked up the phone. She did legwork.

I hearby sentence you to Texas for committing a metaphor violation.

She did the "armwork."


Obama/Adam West or Bruce Campbell or Lucy Lawless '08
by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 01:11:05 PM EST
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Re: So did you tell Geekesque "fail"? (2.00 / 1)

I take offense to your sig line! It should be Obama/Lucy Lawless or Obama/Sarah Michelle Geller.

Go Buffy! Go Xena!

Hell, I would even go for Starbuck. Although I do realize that Xena and Starbuck are not actually US citizens. Damnit. I do like Bruce Campbell tho.


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 01:52:23 PM EST
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Re: So did you tell Geekesque "fail"? (none / 0)

Check out the new, stylish sig line!

Is it smoking, or what?

I do have a thing for Lucy.


Obama/Adam West or Bruce Campbell or Lucy Lawless '08
by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 02:09:46 PM EST
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Re: So did you tell Geekesque "fail"? (2.00 / 1)

Me too and I love your new sig! Lucy Lawless, still hot and smoking!


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 02:29:15 PM EST
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Re: So did you tell Geekesque "fail"? (2.00 / 1)

Eventually, my sig is gonna fill up with "B" list movie actors.

Lucy will be a permanent fixture, however.

She is hot!


Obama/Adam West or Bruce Campbell or Lucy Lawless '08
by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 03:24:54 PM EST
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Re: So did you tell Geekesque "fail"? (none / 0)

Consensus! What a wonderful step to healing the party ;~) Now I think that Lucy should come over and give me a big hug. I'm sure my girlfriend won't mind. In fact, she might just want a hug too ;~D


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 06:11:48 PM EST
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Re: I'm sure you said the same to Geekesque (none / 0)

Michael Saul?  Really?  Can you point me to an instance where he has done such a thing?


What is The October Protocol?
by Koan on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 12:05:29 PM EST
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Re: I'm sure you said the same to Geekesque (2.00 / 2)

Sorry, catfish, I can't hear your response through the noise of all those CRICKETS.


What is The October Protocol?
by Koan on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 01:55:12 PM EST
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Re: I'm sure you said the same to Geekesque (none / 0)

Which one, Saul or Defrank? Could you provide evidence, please?

As is, I'm more inclined to believe the media story than the response from an unnamed source and the person who answers the phone at Hillary's NY office. In the end, though, I've already stated both options (putting her name in or keeping it out) are acceptable to me personally.


by TCQuad on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 12:05:50 PM EST
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Re: I'm sure you said the same to Geekesque (2.00 / 2)

That NYDailyNews writer has a history of floating false rumors unfavorable to Hillary.

And Alegre has a history of floating false rumors favorable to Hillary (or her own agenda, like now), while also floating and repeating false rumors about Obama.

We are at an impasse, sir.


Hell yeah we did.
by Darknesse on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 01:15:57 PM EST
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